CharlieB Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 But no Bar Armour... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 But no Bar Armour... Well it is marketed as a “school bus”. Depends where you go to school I guess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 What realistic scenario can I create using the MRAP now?How about leased Canadian Leo 2A6 providing overwatch as Canadian LAV III and MRAP (say an Engr vehicle) clear the TerraSim town? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 How about leased Canadian Leo 2A6 providing overwatch as Canadian LAV III and MRAP (say an Engr vehicle) clear the TerraSim town?Yes. Though we do not have the actual Can Leo 2A6. See what I mean. Thats why eSIM's choice of (art and players) models confuses me. We have a mix of everything. I understand its not perfect. I understand eSIM is a relative small company. They have to make choices. And ofcourse major military customers and defence industry have priority. Would love to see and hear more how (defence) customers have workarounds on making realistic scenarios. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted November 23, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 23, 2011 I do have a question why eSIM puts in a model like MRAP in the next update.Because someone threatened us with a truckload of money. Our hearts aren't made of stone.But why Centurion?Because we could, and because we love armor.What realistic scenario can I create using the MRAP now? Shooting technical I guess......and Taliban taxis (motorbikes) while doing some target discrimination with other civilian vehicles. You have to see it in the context of an ongoing development, not as an end state. I concede that the MRAP as such isn't terribly useful except to investigate the difference between moving troops with unprotected vehicles, and with vehicles that offer some protection without being outright IFVs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted November 23, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 23, 2011 How about leased Canadian Leo 2A6 providing overwatch as Canadian LAV III and MRAP (say an Engr vehicle) clear the TerraSim town?Canadians (and 'murricans) aren't the only users of MRAPs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted November 23, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 23, 2011 Yes. Though we do not have the actual Can Leo 2A6. ...but you do have a Leopardo 2E, which is a very reasonable stand-in. Okay, so it does have additional roof protection that may not be needed in Afghanistan, and it doesn't have the bar armor which may prevent the one or other mobility kill. But it's far from being an absurd combination. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJ_Fubar Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Of course with the Centurion and the MRAP serving as a capable stand in for the Caspir, not to mention the T-55 and '62 as OPFOR, I could see a few 'Dark Continent' scenarios involving the South Africans... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrapper_511 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) Awesome! Who else uses the MRAP besides the U.S.? I'm curious where the "truckload of money" came from.On another note, I'm also wondering if eSim has developed vehicles uniquely for military customers and aren't available to gamers.Thanks for the Thanksgiving greeting. And Thank YOU! Edited November 23, 2011 by Scrapper_511 Grammar streamlining 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted November 23, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 23, 2011 Awesome! Who else uses the MRAP besides the U.S.? I'm curious where the "truckload of money" came from. I could imagine that. Well, it was a very small RC truck, to be honest. And the truck ... may not have been present... On another note, I'm also wondering if eSim has developed vehicles uniquely for military customers and aren't available to gamers. No. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Canadians (and 'murricans) aren't the only users of MRAPs.Agree absolutley but was just plucking a scenario that "shop fronted" some of the new gear based on about 40 sec of thought.I'm sure there are masses of possibilities. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cata Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Why would anybody pay out for asymmetric or multi spectrum op oriented vehicles, when SB Pro has no asymmetric abilities? Or has SB Pro so much more abilities than SB Pro PE that they can implement asymmetric scenarios? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Why would anybody pay out for asymmetric or multi spectrum op oriented vehicles, when SB Pro has no asymmetric abilities? Or has SB Pro so much more abilities than SB Pro PE that they can implement asymmetric scenarios?You still are able to practice gunnery and movement with SB.Also, you can simulate the "more intense" situations in an asysmetric scenario.For many other things are some workarounds, using the civilian cars f.e.STill hope that SB will have a true multy-party-capability in the future.What may be delaying this, is Ssnake beeing a somewhat zealous perfectionist ;-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted November 24, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 24, 2011 Our artists and the sound engineer are perfectionists. I'm just muddling through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted November 24, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 24, 2011 Why would anybody pay out for asymmetric or multi spectrum op oriented vehicles, when SB Pro has no asymmetric abilities?I say it again, you're looking at the state of SB Pro as is, not at these new elements as a trend indicator. Of course we could withhold them until everything is in place... ...but if you think about it, there already are a number of asymmetrical elements in SB Pro- IEDs- Civilian cars- Civilian cars that can be filled with combatants- Civilian cars that can report your positions ... and they all look the same- you can penalize the player with score formulas for attacking the enemy in regions that are declared "off limits", both for direct and indirect fire- you can mix military forces with civilian carsSo, admittedly we aren't yet even close to the desired end state, but it's not as if nothing changed with SB Pro in the last years. Admittedly, we had hoped to get there much quicker, too. Finally, keep in mind that SB Pro PE only contains the features which we consider mature, so the experimental versions may already have the one or other thing that I couldn't yet present to the general public. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmagnusson Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 will it be able to mount the Bill ATGM system on the hägglunds tracked vehicles , like the swedish army uses?/Thx Dan M 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cata Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Granted there are work arounds and enough inbuilt flexibility to get creative, a third side or civilian population would be a real move in that direction. I think a civilian population would have to be more than just another side it would have to have a dedicated theme and animation options. Anyhow I don’t want to start talking 2.7 just yet! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieB Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Did I just see a playable CR2 - I'm in where do I sign up!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Yep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted November 24, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 24, 2011 will it be able to mount the Bill ATGM system on the hägglunds tracked vehicles , like the swedish army uses? If with "the Hägglunds tracked vehicles" you mean the CV90 series and not the Bv206 family - yes. RBS56 BILL will be part of the package. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Retro Posted November 24, 2011 Members Share Posted November 24, 2011 But you cannot mount (and I presume, fire) while mounted, can you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted November 24, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Well, I've seen a video of the BILL-2 demo where the launcher was mounted on the hatch ring of an M113. So technically it IS possible - provided that you have a proper mount for the launcher (which requires more than just a roll of duct tape and a can of WD40). Edited November 25, 2011 by Ssnake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Retro Posted November 24, 2011 Members Share Posted November 24, 2011 But none of this will be in the next update, will it? That's how I interpreted your answer - hence my post in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted November 25, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 25, 2011 But none of this will be in the next update, will it?...unless someone surprises me - again - ... No. Not in 2.6. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobrabase Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Greetings SB community and Happy Thanksgiving from the U.S.!It's been a while but the new update has me very interested.I have the original SB Pro and the FIRST update. What is involved in getting me to 2.6x? How much... and what files do I need? Cheers brothers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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