The British Army's new toys

[Marko]

[Marko]

A few proposed versions of the CR-2 life extension program 

The new Ajax platform will come in a few different variants allegedly has very sophisticated sensors on the recon veriant

The boxer APC/IFV.

The much upgraded warrior IFV fitted with state of the art fire control and other sophisticated systems.

Brimstone ATGM can be used by land and Air platforms.

 

Lets just hope recent economic disturbances do not effect there introduction to the British army's land forces.

 

 

 

Edited August 14, 2020 by Marko

[CR2_Commander]

1. Nothing will come of the RTR play about apart from maybe the FIBUA kit for infantry and cameras as a TES

2. ARES is massive and doesn't bring anything to the game a Spartan can do except mine protection.

3. I've not seen anything in the pipeline carrying Brimstone except the RTR mock up. No point with LEP.

4. AJAX will be a very capable platform......if everything works. Even then you need Star Trek troops to operate it effectively.

5. Never seen that, but something networked for forward troops to utilise and guide onto target would be great, but carrying more missiles then that.

6. Needs binning. That programmes a bottomless pit that will bankrupt LMUK or we keep reducing the amount we will get.

7. Happy with that but only with additional modules.

8. Tech demo. Might see some of it in the future.

9. Will see.

10. Died when RBSL was formed (although would have had some commonality with AJAX in terms of systems) but most of the stuff you saw on it were "extras" if MoD wanted to pay for them.

[Marko]

Ref no 6.

 Whats the alternative for the warrior.

Would new builds or an off the self solution be cheaper.

[CR2_Commander]

6 minutes ago, Marko said:

Ref no 6.

 Whats the alternative for the warrior.

Would new builds or an off the self solution be cheaper.

Trying to do stuff on the cheap rarely ends up cheap. I can see why they went down that route, warrior has a very high availability and is pretty solid. The turret is quite small and jamming a 40mm with its feed system wasn't viable, hence a new turret. 

 

Off the shelf might have been cheaper for the upfront cost of the vehicles, what most people tend to forget about is the cost of the new training aids. Training package not only for the operators but also level 2 and 3 repair and building up of spares etc. Rolls Royce make a loss on their engines but make it up with their support packages. If you look at how the Americans sell their equipment, they dont include the support so always looks cheaper, which is why buying M1s isn't cheaper than upgrading CR2 to a similar/ better standard.

 

People have a fixation on newer obviously means better but isn't always the case. Its usually down to someone in powers wet dream or good advertising/ bungs and promises of homogeneous manufacturing.

[Marko]

1 hour ago, CR2_Commander said:

Trying to do stuff on the cheap rarely ends up cheap. I can see why they went down that route, warrior has a very high availability and is pretty solid. The turret is quite small and jamming a 40mm with its feed system wasn't viable, hence a new turret. 

 

Off the shelf might have been cheaper for the upfront cost of the vehicles, what most people tend to forget about is the cost of the new training aids. Training package not only for the operators but also level 2 and 3 repair and building up of spares etc. Rolls Royce make a loss on their engines but make it up with their support packages. If you look at how the Americans sell their equipment, they dont include the support so always looks cheaper, which is why buying M1s isn't cheaper than upgrading CR2 to a similar/ better standard.

 

People have a fixation on newer obviously means better but isn't always the case. Its usually down to someone in powers wet dream or good advertising/ bungs and promises of homogeneous manufacturing.

I did wonder if/why the MOD did not evaluate.

The Desert warrior purchased by Kuwait after desert storm.

 

stabilised M242 Bushmaster 25 mm chain gun

Two TOW ATGM launchers

Delco turret

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 16, 2020 by Marko