Argentine TCR/Brazilian ACR Task Organization

[Mirzayev]

Hello!

 

I've been toying with the idea of creating a scenario focusing on a fictional conflict between Brazil and Argentina. Since I know very little about their task organization, I want to see if the Community knows a bit more. Specifically, I am looking for how these units are task organized at the Battalion level.

 

For the Argentine Tank Cavalry Regiment, I found this source: https://www.quora.com/How-many-tanks-are-in-a-tank-platoon-Company-Battalion-Brigade-etc

 

"3 Armored Cavalry Regiments, each regiment is composed of 3 Squadrons (A, B and C)- Each Squadron is composed of 13 tanks divided in 3 Sections of 4 tanks + Squadron leader. 
There is 39 fighting units plus the Regiment command Section of 1 Regiment staff + 1 Command Post vehicle of the regiment command. so 42 tanks + 4 Armored Mortar Carrier of the Fire Support Section."

 

For the Brazilian Armored Cavalry Regiment, I have been unable to find anything solid. I know they use a mix of M60A3s and Leopard 1 variants. My assumption is that they are organized similar to a US Armor Battalion. Any help here would be appreciated. 

 

Thanks!

[Nike-Ajax]

OKay ... hold on this is going to be long I am afraid.

 

Firstly, then this calims that Brazil have 469 MBT:

http://www.globalfirepower.com/armor-tanks-total.asp

 

And 1707 APC´s and IFV´s:

http://www.globalfirepower.com/armor-apc-total.asp

 

Which does NOT match this source:

http://www.armyrecognition.com/brazil_brazilian_armed_army_land_ground_forces_uk/brazil_brazilian_army_land_ground_armed_forces_military_equipment_armoured_vehicle_intelligence_uk.html

 

Which states that they have 726 MBT AND "light" tanks. And 913 APC´s and IFV´s. REMEMBER that MOST tanks in South america are relatively lighter than European equivalents !

 

Neither one agrees with Wikipedia:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Army

 

Which lists force numbers as this:

• Main battle tanks – 469 (M60 Patton, Leopard 1A1 and Leopard 1A5/GR)
• Armored vehicles – 1,496 (AV-VBL 4x4, Cascavel 6x6, Urutu 6x6, Guarani 6x6, M113 and M577)
• Artillery pieces – 1,257 (120mm mortar, ASTROS II, M101, M102, M114, 105mm Mod 56, L118, Oerlikon 35mm and Bofors 40 mm)
• Self-propelled artillery – 184 (M108, M109 and Gepard)
• Surface-to-air missile system – 156 (9K38 Igla and RBS 70)
• Other military vehicles – 20,000 (trucks, light vehicles, buses and boats)

 

This one includes weapons systems that the other dont:

 

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/by-country.asp?Nation=Brazil

 

Some of which MIGHT be outdated BUT remember that South America uses equipment deemed outdated on other continents:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_monitor_Parnaíba_(U17)

 

SO ... first problem is just to get an idea of what equipment are in play. And I havent even begun on Argentina...

 

The overall formation of the Brazil army is this:

 

 

Made by an excellent guy i know, and from Wikipedia, from which you can see that their army is BIG.

 

They are constantly upgrading, and have the biggest economy of the South americas:

http://defense-update.com/20150101_lebanon-orders-armored-vehicles-from-italy-and-brazil.html

 

Thus making it a dynamic and not static number and field. SO next problem is what ERA and TIMEFRAME are you thinking of ..... ?

 

Most of the armored fighting vehicles are in the southern command:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Military_Command_(Brazil)#/media/File:Brazilian_Army_-_CMS.png

 

Which is the one that will fight Argentina.

 

 

Try looking at this site:

 

http://www.defesanet.com.br/en/

 

Short version:

 

I dont have a specific answer to your question

 

 

[Mirzayev]

Thanks for the input @Nike-Ajax, very informative for sure! 

 

I'm looking at having this scenario set around 2008, so I think that I'll use the M60A3 for the Brazilians. If I can't find anything on how they normally organize their Battalions, I'll probably default to a US Task Org. 

[Nike-Ajax]

No problem.

 

I the meantime I have trawled through every site I know and a few I didnt including in Portugese ... NOTHING

 

Good bet with the US SOP: Brazil fought alongside americans in WW 1  and WW 2, and was trained by americans including during the military rule.